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    We will be Screwed!!!!!!!!!


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    We will be Screwed!!!!!!!!!

    Post  J.R. on Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:45 am

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    Post  Oakhillhounds on Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:38 am

    It just plain sucks!
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    Post  Chuck Lead on Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:47 pm

    Saw it in the paper this morning it does suck but after the last loss they did state that they knew what they had to do different and here it is...

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    Post  Oakhillhounds on Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:49 pm

    How long before they come after all hounding! Bastards!

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    Post  HOLLABACK on Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:09 pm

    This is definitely our largest fight....I urge every dog owner to become a Msda member.... As the battle will be a financial drain again...we will be at both sportsmen.shows selling memberships,hats,shirts,& raffle tickets....staying united and building funds is gonna be another main focus....Our bear trials are one of our biggest fund raisers and to get huge turnouts is a start.....We have a lot to focus on in the coming weeks and months and need to call on everyone.....all hounding is next.... we need to also keep pressure on our reps and senators to support the nan on their signature gathering methods......although its only a speed bump to them it will be important......(as a obstical)....All groups are gearing up and need support!....focusing on being active is critical to all hound owners.....hope to see everyone at the booth in Orono and Augusta.....


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    Post  Laneysplott on Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:05 pm

    We can and WILL win, we already have the structure and orginizations in place, time to build on our momentum and really slam them in 2016, we have voids that need to be filled, the 2014 refferendum found several hound owners and bear hunters who did not do a damn thing!!! it makes my blood boil. Time for those to step up, you know who you are we know who you are as well, don't sit back and let everyone carry the load again. like Bill said if you are not a MSDA member shame on you!!! We can win but it takes help and support from EVERYONE!


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    Post  bones on Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:39 pm

    It shows the system does not work the public has voted twice and saved our rights,yet those clowns in Augusta can't or won't get the message. We need to as a group go after the people that put in these bills and get them voted out. You start effecting their pocket books things would change in a hurry. WE post a hit list for sportsmen to vote against in all the puplic publcations we might see some change

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    Post  HOLLABACK on Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:19 am

    Info from last fight leaves me wondering how we will make out this the around...

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    Maine voters reject ban on bear hunting practices for second time
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    Executive Director of the Sportsman's Alliance of Maine David Trahan, left, Pam Trahan, and Michelle MacLean, right, consultant of the Save Maine's Bearhunt campaign, react to returns in the Vote No on 1 campaign headquarters in Orono, Maine, Tuesday. Nov. 4, 2014.

    By Aislinn Sarnacki, BDN Staff,
    and Ben McCanna, The Forecaster
    Nov. 04, 2014, at 11:34 p.m.
    CAMPAIGN 2014: Voters reject Question 1, but Maine’s bear fight continues
    Maine voters have rejected a ban on bear baiting, trapping and hounding for the second time in 10 years. With almost half of precincts reporting by deadline, “no” votes on Question 1 had secured an insurmountable lead of almost 20,000 votes.

    The outcome was apparent for most of election night, as the vote tally on Question 1 — which reads: “Do you want to ban the use of bait, dogs or traps in bear hunting except to protect property, public safety, or for research?” — leaned decidedly toward no.

    A resounding margin in Portland for the “yes” side — a 9,000-vote margin — with results that arrived near 11 p.m. tightened the race slightly, but the resulting margin — according to a Bangor Daily News projection — was still too much for the “yes” side to overcome.

    “They’ve thrown everything at us, and it looks like tonight, we prevailed in this,” said James Cote, manager for the No on 1 campaign, who waited until nearly 1 a.m. Wednesday morning until accepting victory in the tight race. “We’ve run a campaign that we’re proud of.”

    “From the beginning, it’s been our message to trust our Maine wildlife biologists, and we’re proud of people for doing that,” said No on 1 spokesman David Trahan, executive director of the Sportsman’s Alliance of Maine.

    In Portland, Yes on 1’s campaign director Katie Hansberry acknowledged the road to the election has been a “hard fight,” but stopped short of conceding the race late Tuesday night.

    The mood was glum at midnight for Question 1 supporters. Although Hansberry wasn’t prepared to concede the election, supporters gradually filed out of the Embassy Suites conference room, offering tear-choked goodbyes and lengthy hugs.

    “It’s an incredibly emotional issue,” said Anita Coupe, a founding member of Mainers for Fair Bear Hunting, the primary group advocating for Yes on 1. “These people feel very deeply for the animals. We feel as though we let them down. There’s a tremendous sense that we’re their only voice.”

    Coupe said the apparent loss was an “enormous disappointment,” but feels confident time is on their side.

    “We’re encouraged at how many people agree with us on this,” she said. “Although we came up short, we know there’s momentum here, that people are not going to accept these practices and public opinion will rise up.”

    No on 1 campaign leaders, speaking early Wednesday morning, said they felt the fight is far from over. They predicted Humane Society of the United States will make future attempts to change Maine hunting policies.

    “It just amazes me to think of how well people pulled together in this,” said Don Kleiner, executive director of the Maine Professional Guides Association. “The trick at this point is to maintain this coalition and think about going forward, how we can improve the wildlife business in this state and educate the public in what we do and how it’s done.”

    Hansberry said the campaign’s greatest challenge came from the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife’s endorsement of the opposition, which she characterized as “improper involvement.”

    “It’s improper governing for a state agency to be using public funds to try to influence the outcome of an election,” she said. “That caused a lot of confusion for voters despite the fact that we’re the only state that still relies on these three cruel and unsporting practices.”

    Hansberry said regardless of the outcome, there is a consensus that Mainers disapprove of hounding and trapping.

    “Those issues should be acted on immediately [by the Legislature],” Hansberry said. “That is something we will continue to work on.”

    For months, this controversial citizen initiative has stirred Mainers into a passionate debate over hunting practices. To answer this seemingly simple yes-or-no question, voters have turned to reasons concerning ethics, tradition, economy and science.

    The group that led the pro-ban campaign, Mainers for Fair Bear Hunting, was almost entirely funded by the Humane Society of the United States, a Washington, D.C. organization that seeks to “eliminate the most inhumane and unfair sport hunting practices.”

    Mainers for Fair Bear Hunting has spent months convincing Maine voters that hunting the state’s black bears using bait, dogs and traps is “cruel, unsporting and unnecessary.”

    The opposition disagrees entirely, stating that baiting, trapping and hounding are hunting tools necessary to control Maine’s bear population, which state biologists predict is about 30,000 bears. In 2013, hunters using one of these three methods accounted for 93 percent of the bears harvested during Maine’s bear hunting season in the fall.

    This isn’t the first time Maine’s bear hunting practices have been placed under public scrutiny. In 2004, Mainers rejected an identical anti-baiting ballot measure, 53 percent to 47 percent. Voters in nine mostly rural counties opposed the measure overwhelmingly, while more southern and coastal parts of the state were divided. Portland voters gave the ban strong support.

    In 2004, pro-ban groups raised about $930,000 for the campaign, while their opposition raised just shy of $1.3 million.

    This time around, more money was raised by both sides. The pro-ban campaign raised about $2.7 million. On the other side of the debate, groups opposing the referendum raised about $2.4 million, according to financial reports filed to the Maine Commission on Governmental Ethics and Election Practices.

    Polls have shown the “no” side of Question 1 leading, but several voters interviewed by the Bangor Daily News on Election Day had mixed feelings — and divided loyalties.

    Portland resident Kyle Allen, 27, a non-hunter who works as a long-term disability specialist at Unum, said he chose to vote against the ban after months of consideration. At first, he was in favor of the ban, but his thoughts evolved after talking to hunters.

    “I was going to vote based on the things I thought I knew, but I don’t hunt, so I don’t know anything,” Allen said. “So I talked to people who knew what they were talking about, and they persuaded me.

    “Until I entered the booth, I didn’t know how I was voting,” said Roxanne Munksgaard, co-owner of Maine Jewelry & Art in Bangor. “I come from a family of hunters. My husband is vehemently for keeping hunting the way it’s been. But it’s not compassionate — that was my feeling.”

    Like many voters that showed up at the Bangor polls, Munksgaard did her research on the referendum. She read newspaper articles, watched televised debates and even looked up information about other states that have passed similar referendums. She listened to the arguments set forth by both sides.

    In the booth, she decided her vote was yes, to ban the three hunting methods.

    “That’s what my heart said,” Munksgaard said.

    The primary group opposing the ban, Save Maine’s Bear Hunt and Management Programs, was endorsed by a long list of state and national outdoor organizations, including the Sportsman’s Alliance of Maine, Maine Professional Guides Association and National Rifle Association. Also of note, all three candidates for governor stood in opposition to the referendum.

    In an unprecedented move, the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife stated that it strongly opposed the referendum early in the race. The department’s position was clearly expressed by state wardens and biologists through websites, TV and online ads, public debates and media interviews.

    “There’s no question that they’ve been our most powerful messengers by far,” said James Cote, manager of the NO on 1 campaign.

    “We plan to continue to strengthen the sporting community and our relationship with the DIF&W and other organizations,” said Cote. “In the future, we’ll be having bigger discussions about how to protect these opportunities for outfitters and hunters, as well as the sound wildlife management practices that have proven effective for decades.”

    “I trust the scientists,” said Tory Gram, 25, of Orono. “I don’t bear hunt. I’m not sure if I ever will. And I’m not going to go bear hunting to decide how I’m going to vote. I’d rather trust the experts.”

    DIF&W biologists predict that without these hunting methods, Maine’s bear population will climb, leading to more numerous and severe human-bear conflicts.

    That was the main concern for Bangor resident Andrea Lane, who visited the polls with her 12-year-old son, Sam, on election night. They both had strong opinions about Question 1. In fact, they were on “opposite sides of the fence.”

    Sam recently wrote an essay for school about why he would vote yes on Question 1, if he were old enough to vote. Much of his essay centered on how these hunting methods, namely trapping, can cause bears to suffer.

    Andrea Lane, however, voted no on Question 1.

    “We moved [to Bangor] two years ago from Greenville, where we’ve had bears on our doorstep,” said Andrea Lane. “I don’t want bears on my doorstep here.”

    However, she wished that bear baiting, trapping and hounding could be voted on separately — a sentiment several voters expressed at the Bangor polls Tuesday afternoon.

    “I have a lot of friends who are hunters, and they wished it could have been broken down into three votes instead of the way it was done — one blanket vote,” said Bill Libby, 53, of Orono, who voted no, but “with reluctance” because he wants to know more about how these methods of hunting actually work.

    Portland resident Doug Morgan, however, 39, voted in favor of the ban. He said he’s not opposed to hunting, but feels that bear baiting doesn’t meet that definition.

    “It’s not a sport, basically,” said Morgan a self-employed musician. The campaign had little effect on his choice, he added. Instead, he based his decision on a face-to-face encounter he’d had with a bear in Sebago.

    “I was coming out of a buddy’s basement and I almost bumped into a bear, it was that close,” Morgan recalled. “It wasn’t aggressive at all.”

    But Bud Taylor, 80, of Portland said he voted against the ban, letting traditions guide his decision. “My family has been involved in hunting over the years, and we figure we should keep the population of bears down,” Taylor said.

    He said the Yes on 1 campaign wasn’t effective. “Not to me, anyway,” he said.

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    Post  Guest on Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:29 am

    the videos they show of hounds and trapped bears in the worst destorted version of what really happens has swayed the most votes to the people ive talked to that vote against us.seeing is believing for people that dont hunt bears.we need better ammo to win if it comes to a vote this time.the biologists on our side is not going to be enough.people that have had really bad or deadly encounters with bears speaking on our behalf on a video or in a debate would sure sway alot of votes back to our side as most sensible people hold human life more dear than animals unlike the antis.as far as hounding i tell the public how hounds give the bears respect of man and dogs to keep them in the woods where they belong.just thinking out loud .we are going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat this time.

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    Post  HOLLABACK on Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:50 am

    Your exactly right!....Education to folks that never done it in a respectful manner helps fill in the blanks....and showing our good deeds in a public way,builds respect....We have to see ourselves in their eyes and reassure them what we are doing is good management.....some wanna rule with a iron fist,.... and to them I feel the frustration as well but need to educate with sense!..... plus have to leave party sides out of it....This has been a hot topic in last fight.....one side blaming the other side for political gain and party lines are now devided more then ever....This isn't a democrat or republican fight its a Hsus fight....Leaving politics alone is a smart approach as we don't need it swayed by party lines......some might feel they need to vote a certain way due to how some view political slander....Nows definitely the time to be cautious what's being said and done since the public's eyes are more focus on us now,more then before.....

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